-Jerry Manuel on pitching
7/22/09
7/21/09
A tale of two teams
7/21/09, Nationals Park
Mets hits: 7 | Nationals hits: 4
Mets walks: 0 | Nationals walks: 6
Mets strikeouts: 1 | Nationals strikeouts: 4
Mets GIDP: 2 | Nationals GIDP: 0
Mets runs: 0 | Nationals runs: 4
Mets GB: 10 | Nationals GB: 27
Game Chat: NYM @ WAS [Game 93]
Oliver Perez (2-2, 7.99 ERA) vs. John Lannan (6-7, 3.64 ERA)
(Chat removed, as usual.)
Lineup for Game 93
Still no Gary Sheffield. That must be some cramp.
- Angel Pagan – CF
- Luis Castillo – 2B
- David Wright – 3B
- Jeff Francoeur – RF
- Fernando Tatis – LF
- Daniel Murphy – 1B
- Omir Santos – C
- Alex Cora – SS
- Oliver Perez - LHP
Game Chat will be up at 7 p.m.
Twitter Poll: Would you have made the proposed trade for Halladay?
Though there are conflicting reports about the validity of the proposed trade for Roy Halladay, I took to Twitter and asked my followers if they would have pulled the trigger on a trade that sent Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay.
Here are their responses…
YES
BlueAndOrange said: yes
mikexdavis said: The deal would be done before I could even finish this tweet.
michellegraz said: Yes
Sicilianboy6 said: yess I wuld, we'd still have holt,Flores, davis and meija
julierubes said: YES! Him and Santana together with an eventually healthy roster. YES.
SportsEcycloped said: Yes
gecko32899 said: i wouldn't have had to think about it. We'd be selling orange Halladay shirts by sunrise
Turbo1289 said: We should have got Halladay so the Phillies wont get him, besides Santana and Halladay would be awesome
dmgerbino said: Yes, I would make the trade
elZi said: Yes I would
Matt_Pignataro said: Yes. Just think of a rotation with Santana and Halladay, one and two, especially in the playoffs. Wow!
Sportz_Nut said: yes I would have. Halladay and Santana at the top of a rotation? KRod closing? Mets are built to win NOW!!!
JohnnyRanz said: Absolutely!
Mike_Peters said: in a heartbeat...
twayward said: YES!!!
darknova306 said: I did that trade 37 times in my sleep and would do it again (if we extend him). Rotation behind Johan is a huge concern now.
darknova306 continued: it's really a trade for 2010. We're built to win now/soon. If they don't intend to win now, blow up the team for prospects.
kerelcoop said: Yes & I would have added another minor leaguer if the BlueJays asked.
ArizonaSecrets said: YES
patrickboegel said: yes, very much so yes
sparbz said: Yeah.
ClareLafferty said: yes..we need the pitching help
bstronge said: them and beltran!!
tfc3rid said: No question about it... I'd do that yesterday...
MarcARodriguez said: if it's true , it should have happened in a heartbeat, front office is gonzo for not pulling the trigger
metsphanatic said: i would have done it in a heart beat
disgruntmetsfan said: Throw in Ray Ramirez and a bag of sunflower seeds and the price is just right.
reggittino said: In a heartbeat
fscker said: what's wrong with the mets? that's a no brainer.
MetsToob said: Yes!
NO
ProctorsArm said: Unless Halladay can bring Reyes, Beltran and Delgado back with him, no.
mattclausen said: nope....I have another but crazier offer in mind
YaGottaBKiddnMe said: no. we need to have some semblance of a farm system that can at least sorta play baseball.
Retire31 said: No. I'm not stupid.
yaysarcasm said: No. But I'm starting to think F-Mart is going to be a bust, and we should get rid of him. Lets not Milledge this up
McKern said: No. For all the reasons others has said. I don't want the #mets having any more reason to tighten up and not score.
Topher33 said: No, Mets would be giving up way too much. Plus, who's to say they'd be able to score any runs for him.
thebrowncoat said: No. One player can't make this team a contender. Mortgaging the future would be stupid. And we got Santana for less than that
Drewthedew086 said: I agree with the non-move as well. We're never going to get out of the situation we're in now if we don't hold on to prospect
nymets945 said: Nope unless they gave us Alex Rios as well
wrongheaven said: I wouldn't.
Jbones72 said: no glad they didn't make trade
metsjetsgirl said: No. Wouldn't help the non-existent offense. You can't win games without run support. Not worth depleting the farm.
drsexington said: No to the Halladay trade. Doc is a great P but he ain't the answer unless he plays every position a la Bugs Bunny.
pAuLiE_bRuZ said: i'm happy we turned down the halladay deal, losing all that talent for yes a great pitcher but then what? no young talent!
Jim1975 said: definately not. It looks like the future is all we have. we should have stepped in and got Pedro.
BlackMagic718 said: As of today, no.
letsgoduke said: of course not. That is a ridiculous trade. If we were the red sox, maybe.
NYMetsGrrl94 said: No. The loss of prospects isn't worth it when the Mets aren't in any race.
tyronem said: nope.
s2kmikey said: no. we don't score any runs for santana. what makes people think we'll score any for halladay?
FMauceri said: I wouldn't make that trade. Mets would be giving up too much potential. And they can't afford the salary.
gabefarkas said: No. I like Bobby Parnell too much, and out bullpen would have been decimated by that trade.
andy79 said: no. too high a cost to ultimately miss the playoffs this year. keep the young guys.
Colarusso42 said: . call me a sentimental Mets' fan but I wouldn't have made that trade. Not cost-effective.
dances_w_vowels said: No.
Split pretty evenly. I’m intrigued.
Easily the most participated in Twitter Poll. If this level of response keeps up, I won’t be able to use everyone’s, so start making them count!!
Where do you stand on the true/not true proposed Halladay trade?
Manuel Musing(s)
-Jerry Manuel on job security
“I think we have to live with what we have, and do what we can with what we have, and play better baseball than what we've done.”
-Jerry Manuel on what the Mets have
Mets rejected proposed trade for Halladay [Updated]
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com (again), the Mets turned down a proposed trade between them and the Toronto Blue Jays for Roy Halladay.
Halladay, the most prized pitcher on the market and easily one of the best in the games, is being sought after by many teams. Heyman relays that the Jays asked for Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada in return for Halladay.
“The Mets responded with a resounding no,” writes Heyman.
Update – 10:02 a.m.: Keith Law tweeted that this proposal is “bogus,” citing multiple sources. (Still, the rest of the post stands.)
If you read my blog, you know I put very little stock in prospects. They’re too much of a hit or miss affair to have too much value placed upon them. But, these three prospects are probably three of the top five prospects in the Mets system right now.
But, Halladay is one of the top five pitchers in the league.
And here I am, on the fence about all of this. I’m glad the Mets didn’t pull this trade off in the situation they’re in. 2009 seems to be slipping away and shipping out more farm pieces for a cog in an otherwise broken down machine doesn’t do much good.
For 2010, though, this could have been amazing. Can you imagine a 1-2 punch of Halladay and Johan Santana? It would easily be the best combo of pitchers in the game.
Honestly, if the Mets made the trade, I would be ecstatic for the team. Bringing in a pitcher of that caliber must be celebrated, even if a lot of young talent was heading to Canada.
The Mets didn’t pull the trigger and I’m OK with that, too. It shows they’re not in desperation mode to try and save this season. Maybe they think they have a shot with what they have or maybe they’ve given up, but either way a knee-jerk reaction was not made, and that means something.
(Side note: Don’t you think J.P. Riccardi could have asked for some better players? Or did he not think they were going to take it anyway? Using the Mets to prompt the Phillies, I assume. But still… Where’s Holt? Mejia? Thole?)
7/20/09
Game Chat: NYM @ WAS [Game 92]
Livan Hernanez (5-5, 5.10 ERA) vs. J.D. Martin (First MLB Game)
Join in for some game gabbing and barstool banter with your fellow fans!
(Chat removed, as usual.)
Minaya and Manuel safe; Update on Nieve: Tear
SI/SNY/WFAN’s Jon Heyman just posted this to his Twitter…
minaya, manuel have been told by mets boss jeff wilpon they wont be fired over this painful season.
Very interesting
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Heyman also just tweeted that Fernando Nieve has a tear in his quadriceps muscle.
We already knew he was heading to the DL, as Cory Sullivan is en route to D.C. as I write this, but no one knew how bad the injury was.
I really feel bad for Nieve. He was getting a chance and making the most of it. And now he’s down with an serious injury.
Cory Sullivan in town; Lineup for Game 92
Cory Sullivan, who was signed to a major league contract before spring training, is en route to Washington D.C. to take the roster spot of Fernando Nieve. Nieve, to make room, was placed on the 15-day DL.
Sullivan, with the Buffalo Bisons the entire year, was batting .290 AVG / .352 OBP with 16 doubles, two home runs, and 24 RBIs in 85 games.
According to Bart Hubbuch, Jerry Manuel said Sullivan was promoted over Nick Evans because Sullivan is more versatile. Sullivan can play every outfield position, with most of his time coming in center field.
On to the lineup, still noticeably absent of Gary Sheffield…
- Angel Pagan – CF
- Luis Castillo – 2B
- Daniel Murphy – 1B
- David Wright – 3B
- Jeff Francoeur – RF
- Jeremy Reed – LF
- Alex Cora – SS
- Brian Schneider – C
- Livan Hernandez - RHP
Game Chat will go live at 7 p.m.
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